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	<title>Comments on: A Tale Of Two States : Azhar Ahmed and Scott McHugh</title>
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		<title>By: Becky</title>
		<link>https://harrypaterson.co.uk/blog/a-tale-of-two-states-azhar-ahmed-and-scott-mchugh/#comment-6596</link>
		<dc:creator>Becky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your all sick blaming scott , if that other lad didn&#039;t make the comment then scott wouldn&#039;t be a target u need to grow up bet everyone on this site has made a nasty comment to another race so don&#039;t act all innocent now! Grow up and forget about it ! &amp; he isn&#039;t even in Army any more so need to get all the facts before shaming his name!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your all sick blaming scott , if that other lad didn&#8217;t make the comment then scott wouldn&#8217;t be a target u need to grow up bet everyone on this site has made a nasty comment to another race so don&#8217;t act all innocent now! Grow up and forget about it ! &amp; he isn&#8217;t even in Army any more so need to get all the facts before shaming his name!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>https://harrypaterson.co.uk/blog/a-tale-of-two-states-azhar-ahmed-and-scott-mchugh/#comment-6595</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 20:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Itsme sorry mate, but he made those remarks last year and has made many more since, don&#039;t use the death of 6 soldiers to excuse his racism. As i understand it he was discharged  last week for something else and also is now at the police station, as posted by his friend on facebook. The guy is a liability and the army don&#039;t need his sort ruining their reputation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Itsme sorry mate, but he made those remarks last year and has made many more since, don&#8217;t use the death of 6 soldiers to excuse his racism. As i understand it he was discharged  last week for something else and also is now at the police station, as posted by his friend on facebook. The guy is a liability and the army don&#8217;t need his sort ruining their reputation.</p>
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		<title>By: P J Cawkwell</title>
		<link>https://harrypaterson.co.uk/blog/a-tale-of-two-states-azhar-ahmed-and-scott-mchugh/#comment-6594</link>
		<dc:creator>P J Cawkwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 20:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The views expressed by Azhar Ahmed weren&#039;t racially offensive, from what I saw they were generally abusive/offensive to HM Forces&#039; and the work they do after a tragic incident which saw Afghanistan civilians killed.

That is fact.

The views expressed by Scott McHugh, Ben Wilson and Danny Harrison were racially abusive and, like Mr Ahmed&#039;s comments, were posted in a public area for people to see. 

People have become offended by both sets of comments and reported these to the police.

There is a massive difference between what Mr McHugh and Mr Ahmed posted. Mr Ahmed never threatened to kill anyone, for exmaple, &quot;towel heads&quot;, nor, to my knowledge, did he use racially offensive words such as &quot;Paki&quot;. What Mr Ahmed did was to abuse someone in a way that was strongly worded, borderline but not over the top. He said &quot;i wish you all british soliders could &quot;fokkin die.&quot; That&#039;s not racially offensive is it?

If I was in the HM Forces and I said that I was going to another country, a sovereign state, to kill people, that is terrorism as your intention is to cause terror amongst the general populous. Mr Ahmed never said this was his intention.

That is fact.

What has happened to the soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan/Northern Ireland is deeply traumatic for their families, but it&#039;s a predictably dangerous situation and watching the Prime Minister read out the list of dead every Wednesday at PMQ&#039;s is a very sad and upsetting event for everyone, including British Muslims, they don&#039;t want their school mates to be killed/blown up in another country, chasing oil/former CIA operative.

However, Mr McHugh needs to try and make sense of why people are angry about what he said...he is fighting for HRH Queen Elizabeth and he has said, as an official representative of our Monarch, that he is going to commit murder in another country whilst on official business as a member of the Armed Forces. That could possibly be a Breach of the Geneva Convention. If it isn&#039;t an actual breach then it could certainly be a breach of the general spirit of the Code. That is massively different to venting genuine anger/upset/frustration about a soldier shooting women and children in a random attack.

Nobody deserves to die, not soldiers, civilians, children, women or rebel fighters. They are dying in vain.

All this racism, hate and fighting is a waste of time.

Nobody deserves to die.

Rest In Peace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The views expressed by Azhar Ahmed weren&#8217;t racially offensive, from what I saw they were generally abusive/offensive to HM Forces&#8217; and the work they do after a tragic incident which saw Afghanistan civilians killed.</p>
<p>That is fact.</p>
<p>The views expressed by Scott McHugh, Ben Wilson and Danny Harrison were racially abusive and, like Mr Ahmed&#8217;s comments, were posted in a public area for people to see. </p>
<p>People have become offended by both sets of comments and reported these to the police.</p>
<p>There is a massive difference between what Mr McHugh and Mr Ahmed posted. Mr Ahmed never threatened to kill anyone, for exmaple, &#8220;towel heads&#8221;, nor, to my knowledge, did he use racially offensive words such as &#8220;Paki&#8221;. What Mr Ahmed did was to abuse someone in a way that was strongly worded, borderline but not over the top. He said &#8220;i wish you all british soliders could &#8220;fokkin die.&#8221; That&#8217;s not racially offensive is it?</p>
<p>If I was in the HM Forces and I said that I was going to another country, a sovereign state, to kill people, that is terrorism as your intention is to cause terror amongst the general populous. Mr Ahmed never said this was his intention.</p>
<p>That is fact.</p>
<p>What has happened to the soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan/Northern Ireland is deeply traumatic for their families, but it&#8217;s a predictably dangerous situation and watching the Prime Minister read out the list of dead every Wednesday at PMQ&#8217;s is a very sad and upsetting event for everyone, including British Muslims, they don&#8217;t want their school mates to be killed/blown up in another country, chasing oil/former CIA operative.</p>
<p>However, Mr McHugh needs to try and make sense of why people are angry about what he said&#8230;he is fighting for HRH Queen Elizabeth and he has said, as an official representative of our Monarch, that he is going to commit murder in another country whilst on official business as a member of the Armed Forces. That could possibly be a Breach of the Geneva Convention. If it isn&#8217;t an actual breach then it could certainly be a breach of the general spirit of the Code. That is massively different to venting genuine anger/upset/frustration about a soldier shooting women and children in a random attack.</p>
<p>Nobody deserves to die, not soldiers, civilians, children, women or rebel fighters. They are dying in vain.</p>
<p>All this racism, hate and fighting is a waste of time.</p>
<p>Nobody deserves to die.</p>
<p>Rest In Peace</p>
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		<title>By: Itsme</title>
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		<dc:creator>Itsme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 20:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He made those racist remarks because the 5 of the 6 soldiers who died were his best friends. I&#039;m sure if your friends died then someone started saying shit about them you&#039;d be angry too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He made those racist remarks because the 5 of the 6 soldiers who died were his best friends. I&#8217;m sure if your friends died then someone started saying shit about them you&#8217;d be angry too.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>https://harrypaterson.co.uk/blog/a-tale-of-two-states-azhar-ahmed-and-scott-mchugh/#comment-6591</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 20:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He wasnt discharged for his racist comment though, he was discharged last week for something else. The Yorkshire Regiment doesn&#039;t have to deal  with the issue, but the police and the courts will have to, the issue isnt redundant until he is up in front of judge like Azhar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He wasnt discharged for his racist comment though, he was discharged last week for something else. The Yorkshire Regiment doesn&#8217;t have to deal  with the issue, but the police and the courts will have to, the issue isnt redundant until he is up in front of judge like Azhar.</p>
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		<title>By: MDN</title>
		<link>https://harrypaterson.co.uk/blog/a-tale-of-two-states-azhar-ahmed-and-scott-mchugh/#comment-6590</link>
		<dc:creator>MDN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article is now redundant. McHugh&#039;s has been discharged from the Armed Forces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is now redundant. McHugh&#8217;s has been discharged from the Armed Forces.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>https://harrypaterson.co.uk/blog/a-tale-of-two-states-azhar-ahmed-and-scott-mchugh/#comment-6587</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Shell, that is because unlike all the other people who had something to say about Azhar, Scott is a solider with a lot of responsibility and some of the stuff he said was very disturbing. I worry about a guy who says he takes joy in killing people including children and women. Many of of his comments date back over the course of 4 months, so bringing up the Azhar story is pointless, all it did was highlight Scott McHugh&#039;s previous comments. Scotty boy broke the law and hopefully he will face the music. You can defend him as much as you want, the damage is done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Shell, that is because unlike all the other people who had something to say about Azhar, Scott is a solider with a lot of responsibility and some of the stuff he said was very disturbing. I worry about a guy who says he takes joy in killing people including children and women. Many of of his comments date back over the course of 4 months, so bringing up the Azhar story is pointless, all it did was highlight Scott McHugh&#8217;s previous comments. Scotty boy broke the law and hopefully he will face the music. You can defend him as much as you want, the damage is done.</p>
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		<title>By: aqil</title>
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		<dc:creator>aqil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now here we can see that if human is to make the laws then they follow their low desires and then they twist them as the reality changes. So do the humans have ability to make laws?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now here we can see that if human is to make the laws then they follow their low desires and then they twist them as the reality changes. So do the humans have ability to make laws?</p>
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		<title>By: Iain</title>
		<link>https://harrypaterson.co.uk/blog/a-tale-of-two-states-azhar-ahmed-and-scott-mchugh/#comment-6584</link>
		<dc:creator>Iain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 18:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s not the half of it.

Google &quot;Hollie Greig&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s not the half of it.</p>
<p>Google &#8220;Hollie Greig&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John Scotts</title>
		<link>https://harrypaterson.co.uk/blog/a-tale-of-two-states-azhar-ahmed-and-scott-mchugh/#comment-6581</link>
		<dc:creator>John Scotts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 17:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a sad event, I am telling you, and very dangerous too. Americans are the most hated nation in the world now, leave Muslims but many other people from different white-skin, for that matter, hate Americans. It is not because Americans are bad people but their politicians and biased media have done a tremendous damage to their good image. 

Now, if you go back to history with an analytical eye, you will be shocked to see that ten years ago, people wanted to come to U.K, there was no race problem, there was harmony and love among all foreigners/emigrants and British people. Since U.K started supporting USA, blindly, on Wars and let her troops enter the foreign soil, things started changing. Now if you do a survey of foreign countries, you will be shocked to see the fall down in the ratio of people who want to come to U.K. specially, talented people who are and were the backbone of our economy. We have become so narrow minded and impatient that now being a white British if I say something right in support of any emigrant my own British people will start taunting me. Come on, what has happened to our famous good character? We are a nation of a good name and character. We were famous as peace loving people. We used to welcome people with a sincere smile. 

Now, things are getting worse, because we cannot throw out all emigrants specially these so called PAKIS. Go to your NHS and see whats the nationaity of the best doctors, go to your economical strucutre and see who is supporting it. And what will we do with these people who are born here? You are pushing them to be your slaves but long those days are gone. You will have a strong reaction, which is increasing with event like this one. And our peaceful homeland will become a hell. We should think about the day when eventually USA will see what Russia saw because of his war-ventures. And then we will be left alone to face the music from the people who we are hurting. I can see a very tough time coming ahead...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a sad event, I am telling you, and very dangerous too. Americans are the most hated nation in the world now, leave Muslims but many other people from different white-skin, for that matter, hate Americans. It is not because Americans are bad people but their politicians and biased media have done a tremendous damage to their good image. </p>
<p>Now, if you go back to history with an analytical eye, you will be shocked to see that ten years ago, people wanted to come to U.K, there was no race problem, there was harmony and love among all foreigners/emigrants and British people. Since U.K started supporting USA, blindly, on Wars and let her troops enter the foreign soil, things started changing. Now if you do a survey of foreign countries, you will be shocked to see the fall down in the ratio of people who want to come to U.K. specially, talented people who are and were the backbone of our economy. We have become so narrow minded and impatient that now being a white British if I say something right in support of any emigrant my own British people will start taunting me. Come on, what has happened to our famous good character? We are a nation of a good name and character. We were famous as peace loving people. We used to welcome people with a sincere smile. </p>
<p>Now, things are getting worse, because we cannot throw out all emigrants specially these so called PAKIS. Go to your NHS and see whats the nationaity of the best doctors, go to your economical strucutre and see who is supporting it. And what will we do with these people who are born here? You are pushing them to be your slaves but long those days are gone. You will have a strong reaction, which is increasing with event like this one. And our peaceful homeland will become a hell. We should think about the day when eventually USA will see what Russia saw because of his war-ventures. And then we will be left alone to face the music from the people who we are hurting. I can see a very tough time coming ahead&#8230;</p>
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